Comments on: One last, brief comment on the Essjay scandal http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136 Weblog about the Citizendium project and its Citizens. Sat, 07 Nov 2009 20:25:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Larry Sanger http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-87904 Larry Sanger Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:09:08 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-87904 Yes, he hired him: how could he not know? Yes, he hired him: how could he not know?

]]> By: Karen http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-87768 Karen Mon, 17 Mar 2008 03:46:21 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-87768 Does Jimmy Wales know that Essjay had been impersonating as a professor? Does Jimmy Wales know that Essjay had been impersonating as a professor?

]]> By: Wikipedia Review: Opinions and Editorials » Blog Archive » The tight-knit web of Wikimedia and Wikia http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-30901 Wikipedia Review: Opinions and Editorials » Blog Archive » The tight-knit web of Wikimedia and Wikia Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:01:29 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-30901 [...] Larry Sanger neatly summarized the events surrounding a scandal that took place in early 2007.  In January, Wikia, Inc. hired a 24-year-old named Ryan Jordan, in full [...] [...] Larry Sanger neatly summarized the events surrounding a scandal that took place in early 2007.  In January, Wikia, Inc. hired a 24-year-old named Ryan Jordan, in full [...]

]]> By: Zelda Goodman http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-5282 Zelda Goodman Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:05:24 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-5282 The Essjay Controversy Rumbles On... Mr. Jimmy Wales and his crew have managed to cover up a letter Essjay sent to a college professor usinig his falsified credentials to vouch for Wikipidia's accuracy and reliability. Currently, the article on the Essjay controversy on Wikipedia does not mention the letter Essjay sent to a real world professor in which he used a fake persona. UNBELIEVABLE! The Essjay Controversy Rumbles On… Mr. Jimmy Wales and his crew have managed to cover up a letter Essjay sent to a college professor usinig his falsified credentials to vouch for Wikipidia’s accuracy and reliability. Currently, the article on the Essjay controversy on Wikipedia does not mention the letter Essjay sent to a real world professor in which he used a fake persona. UNBELIEVABLE!

]]> By: Michael Benjamin http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-3375 Michael Benjamin Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:26:03 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-3375 I was born in 1973, and I graduated medical school in 1998, so I was 25 at the time. I was the third-youngest in my med school class. So I suppose it's (almost) possible to have two degrees by age 24, though it would be a bit of a stretch. And I have not yet achieved tenure at a university, though I have been nominated to be faculty at UCLA. I was born in 1973, and I graduated medical school in 1998, so I was 25 at the time. I was the third-youngest in my med school class. So I suppose it’s (almost) possible to have two degrees by age 24, though it would be a bit of a stretch. And I have not yet achieved tenure at a university, though I have been nominated to be faculty at UCLA.

]]> By: Bob http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-3326 Bob Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:57:21 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-3326 How do we know for sure that Jimmy Wales knew that Essjay had been impersonating a professor? The talk page on Wikipedia Watch could be fake, or Essjay could be lying on it. How do we know for sure that Jimmy Wales knew that Essjay had been impersonating a professor? The talk page on Wikipedia Watch could be fake, or Essjay could be lying on it.

]]> By: Nicholas Moreau http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-3251 Nicholas Moreau Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:23:48 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-3251 Agreed with Internet Esquire, you are presumptuous to believe Essjay, after he accuses Schiff of bad practices. Zach: RfCs are generally deleted, and Wikipedia gives its users the right to have their userpage and talkpage deleted, as a right to drop out of the project. The article AfD I agree was closed out of process, but at the time, did Essjay meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability? At the time Jimmy defended Essjay, he did so not knowing this fake ID was to sway content disputes. Agreed with Internet Esquire, you are presumptuous to believe Essjay, after he accuses Schiff of bad practices.

Zach: RfCs are generally deleted, and Wikipedia gives its users the right to have their userpage and talkpage deleted, as a right to drop out of the project. The article AfD I agree was closed out of process, but at the time, did Essjay meet Wikipedia’s criteria for notability?

At the time Jimmy defended Essjay, he did so not knowing this fake ID was to sway content disputes.

]]> By: ZachPruckowski http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-3226 ZachPruckowski Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:14:05 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-3226 I assume that someone somewhere in the top echelon knew. That's essentially inevitable. He was "open" about it to questions for over a month. What I find disturbing is that basically every avenue of discussion on WP has been closed and in many cases deleted. I mean, the RfC, the User talk page, the article, the AfD was speedily closed out of process, and then speedily reopened amid-review. Comments are also disappearing about it from Jimbo's talk page. I'm not calling "cabal" or anything, but it's starting to smell funny. I assume that someone somewhere in the top echelon knew. That’s essentially inevitable. He was “open” about it to questions for over a month.

What I find disturbing is that basically every avenue of discussion on WP has been closed and in many cases deleted. I mean, the RfC, the User talk page, the article, the AfD was speedily closed out of process, and then speedily reopened amid-review. Comments are also disappearing about it from Jimbo’s talk page. I’m not calling “cabal” or anything, but it’s starting to smell funny.

]]> By: Stephen Ewen http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-3215 Stephen Ewen Tue, 06 Mar 2007 01:41:38 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-3215 How plausible is it to think Wikia hired Essjay without determining both that he was 24 and what is his real background. How many real-world 24-year-olds can you point to who have not only achieved two advanced degrees? Okay, a few in math. But how many that have achieved tenure at a university? Zero, right? How plausible is it to think Wikia hired Essjay without determining both that he was 24 and what is his real background. How many real-world 24-year-olds can you point to who have not only achieved two advanced degrees? Okay, a few in math. But how many that have achieved tenure at a university? Zero, right?

]]> By: Internet Esquire http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=136#comment-3214 Internet Esquire Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:02:06 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/03/05/one-last-brief-comment-on-the-essjay-scandal/#comment-3214 Why would you believe Essjay's version of events? This is the same kid who said in his "apology" that he was offered money by Stacy Schiff to compensate him for his time. See - http://blog.xodp.org/2007/03/closure-still-lacking-in-essjay.html -. Why would you believe Essjay’s version of events? This is the same kid who said in his “apology” that he was offered money by Stacy Schiff to compensate him for his time. See - http://blog.xodp.org/2007/03/closure-still-lacking-in-essjay.html -.

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