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July 15, 2012

Benefits of volunteering time to the Citizendium community

Filed under: Authors, Developers, Editors, Experts, Founder, Funding, Governance, Managing Editor — Anthony Sebastian @ 5:30 pm

All of the registered members of our Citizendium community undoubtedly have some idea of why they volunteer their time helping each other develop our encyclopedia.  In addition to any rational idea we might have for volunteering our time, we all must also have a feeling that comes with it, an emotional reason, perhaps one we find difficult to articulate.

If you were to ask Cassie Mogilner, Zoe Chance and Michael Norton, psychological experimental scientists at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania, the Yale School of Management and the Harvard Business School, respectively, they might tell you this:

“Many people these days feel a sense of “time famine”—never having enough minutes and hours to do everything. We all know that our objective amount of time can’t be increased (there are only 24 hours in a day), but [our] new study suggests that volunteering our limited time—giving it away—may actually increase our sense of unhurried leisure.”

Their thinking is that by giving away time, as in volunteering, you stimulate your feelings of being competent and efficient, accompanying which time seems to stretch out in your mind. You gain time, subjectively, by giving time.

Since we all live in our subjectivity, I’ll go for that kind of “time affluence”.

Get rich in time, join Citizendium, those of you reading this who haven’t already gotten such riches.

See:

PRESS RELEASE: Anna Mikulak
Association for Psychological Science

September 22, 2010

Citizendium Charter Ratified

Filed under: Founder, Governance, Project growth — Larry Sanger @ 11:10 pm

 

[The following is a mail I sent to Citizendium-L earlier this evening.  UPDATE: title fixed, thanks Tom. ;-) ]

 

Congratulations, everyone!

 

I agree that the Charter has been ratified; I hereby ratify it.

 

This has been a long time in coming, and I am happy it is finished.  I am proud that the Citizendium has continued to grow in the time, now about a year and a half, since I was actively involved.

 

I apologize for being so uninvolved in this whole process, but frankly, I have felt that it is not my place to get involved much, after pledging at the outset that I would step down after 2-3 years as head of CZ.  Every time I have gotten involved since the spring of 2009, my pledge has lurked in the back of my mind (and frequently in the front of it), which has sapped my motivation for trying to impose my will on anything that might be going on.  To be sure, I’ve made a few of my wishes known, but the project and the charter drafting process has continued on almost entirely independently of me, I’m sincerely happy to say.

 

Per Article 52 of the charter (http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/CZ:Charter_drafting), this email ends my term of office.  I believe it is now up to persons other than me to put the next relevant articles, 53 and 54, into effect.  I would like to thank the committee for honoring my service in getting CZ started with their Article 52.

 

CZ is unlike many online communities.  We have adopted a charter that defines the community as a division of power, and with different bodies capable of proposing and making innovations.  Many important terms are limited, as I think they should be, and the most powerful positions are elected.  In short, we now officially have an online constitutional republic, just as I have wanted.  I hope that you all will support the nascent system and help to build it into something self-sustaining and flourishing.  I still believe in this project, and I think that the time may well come when we begin to grow more quickly.  Our traffic has been steadily growing, and I’ve observed new people continuing to get involved.  So, quite contrary to hopeful, mean-spirited reports of our impending demise, we’ve actually shown our resilience, despite my own lack of involvement the last 18 months or so.

                                                                                                                                                   

I wish you the best of luck.  I will try to assist the transition as I can.  To that end, let me point a few things out and make a few recommendations:

 

·         I remain a Citizen.  I am still strongly aligned with and in support of our goals, and I will continue to speak out on our behalf if offered a chance.  I will not attempt to speak for CZ, however; any questions from the press that come my way that seem to be questions about the current state of the project, pending decisions, and future strategies, I will refer to CZ’s current management.

 

·         There are any number of changes that might be made that could really kick things up a notch in this project.  We have many cards we have not played.  When you think about operations and strategy, think creatively first, then critically.  Different design, different branding; new associations; new stated goals; new initiatives, perhaps shared with partners; new sources of content and participants; maybe paring back of needless and not-very-helpful help pages; initiation of important new software projects; etc.  I hope that the new management committee will show leadership in considering and, more importantly, deciding and executing such initiatives.

 

·         Please bear in mind that the funds available to pay for the Citizendium servers are running low.  I think I can arrange for a significant cash infusion to cover any short-term shortfall, but you should be thinking about how to keep the servers paid for.  I think this could be a prime opportunity to move the hosting to a lower-cost service, as well as developing a relationship with an entity that can receive donations and make payments on our behalf—perhaps a university, academic press, or nonprofit.  Of course, you are free to continue on with the Tides Center.  In any event I would encourage you to make sure to have the relationship with the entity in clear writing, making it perfectly clear that CZ’s decisions will be independent and constrained only by the decisions of Citizens and the Charter, and law.

 

·         I hope the community will use the opportunity of a new charter to make other needed positive changes.  I believe there needs to be a settled and regular way to identify and resolve disputes.  The Charter describes the outline of a method but I believe it needs to be elaborated.  There are people whose involvement in the project is a significant net negative, for example because they are ideologues who brazenly refuse to write neutrally, because they repeatedly violate standards of professionalism, or because they are cranks who have no respect whatsoever of the proper standards of evidence and scholarship.  The project will bleed able and much-needed contributors if they must deal with people who should not be involved.  Of course, it can be difficult to determine the line between overzealous rules-enforcement and perfect openness to any sort of behavior.  But I think that this needs to be done, and it will help that it’s done independently of me—in the past, when I had to get rid of people, they were frequently able to make it personal.  I hope a process involving several people, following fair rules in an open manner, will not be so easy to attack.  I just hope, of course, that the process also remains relatively efficient (i.e., not too complex and bureaucratic) while also being open and fair.

 

·         One area in which I am disappointed with the charter—I never expected it to be perfect—is the lack of any requirement that articles be family-friendly (or, choose the term that is least offensive to your political sensibilities).  There is some seriously twisted stuff on Wikipedia that has no business in a resource calling itself an “encyclopedia.”  I hope CZ will never host such stuff—or, to the extent it does, at least properly labels and places it behind appropriate disclaimers.  But generally, I hope that you will maintain standards of appropriateness for school use similar to that used in other resources written for adults and at about the college level, such as Britannica and The New York Times.  School kids are among the those who stand to benefit most from CZ, and I’d like to make sure that they’re well served.

 

I’m willing to offer other advice if asked, but I expect to do so largely behind the scenes, one-on-one, because I do not want to impose improper influence on what should be a democratic process.

 

On a personal note, I’ve been greatly distracted lately by new developments in new projects (a major new set of WatchKnow features, and an upcoming associated program to teach children to read) as well as baby #2 due in just a few weeks.  I’m also in transition on WatchKnow, which is also gaining a wonderful, able new CEO, freeing me up to develop the reading project full time.  I’m frankly glad to be developing and executing brand new ideas, which is probably my forte.  But this is not an excuse–I am sorry that I have not answered all the emails that people have sent.

 

Again, congratulations to everyone!

 

Regards,

Larry Sanger

 

Lawrence M. Sanger, Ph.D. | http://www.larrysanger.org/

Executive Director, WatchKnow | http://www.watchknow.org/

Founding Editor-in-Chief, Citizendium | http://www.citizendium.org/

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August 25, 2009

Not “jumping ship,” but stepping down–eventually–as planned

Filed under: Founder, Press & blogs, WatchKnow — Larry Sanger @ 9:07 pm

I thought I would link to this blog post from FT’s Richard Waters, which dramatically claims, to my surprise, that I am “ready to jump ship” from the wonderful Citizendium, which I continue to love, and which I would never intentionally harm. In fairness, I think Waters reported the main facts pretty much accurately and fairly. But I did have this to say in reply (comment #1):

Richard, “jump ship” carries the wrong connotations, however eye-catching it might be. A less dramatic and more accurate statement would be that I have reiterated — once again — to carry out my promise to step down as Editor-in-Chief after 2-3 years, to ensure that the project proceeds as a bona fide constitutional republic. This does not mean I will be “abandoning” the project. If I sincerely believed that my departure would mean the end of CZ, I would make sure I stayed on board in some keyed-down capacity.

I have not updated my personal website (larrysanger.org) for many months. I’ve been very nose-to-the-grindstone with WatchKnow.org. Once it is off the ground I plan to return to CZ to help a transitioning process.

As for the Wikipedia article about CZ, its coverage of the “issue” is inaccurate and biased, as I explained on the article’s talk page. There’s no “scoop” there. It’s actually very old news.

I should add that I apologize (again) to the CZ community for my recent silence. My excuse is that I am starting up yet another non-profit educational project, this time for preK-12 videos. Don’t look at it now…it’s about to undergo a big design and software change, and will probably be under wraps for several weeks as we lead up to a (hopefully!) big launch.

(And…uh…speaking of inaccuracies on the blogosphere…I am not Jewish. But I like and admire many Jews and support the right of Israel to exist. Also, if Jimmy Wales is Jewish, that is news to me.)

July 17, 2009

Garrison Keillor notices my birthday

Filed under: Founder, Other projects, Web 2.0 — Larry Sanger @ 12:51 pm

Yesterday I turned 41, and I got a zillion “happy birthdays” in various locations, more than I got on my 40th birthday, which I thought was very strange. I finally did some poking around online and figured out why. I was mentioned, again, by Garrison Keillor, this time on “The Writer’s Almanac” (brief MP3). To have your birthday marked by Garrison Keillor — and why should anybody notice anybody’s 41st birthday? — is a bizarre experience.

Unfortunately, Citizendium and WatchKnow aren’t mentioned. I’m afraid I haven’t worked much at all on the former, because I’ve been spending almost all my time lately on the latter. We’re up to 3,600 educational videos for kids, put into a wiki-style directory. We’re deliberately flying under the radar now, because we want to make a big first impression — launch should be early this fall. Expect some really cool, and innovative, new software. I don’t know if it will be “the next big thing.” Considering how everybody’s trying to make the next big thing, it seems unlikely. But I do hope it will be really useful to school kids, teachers, and parents. That’s the aim.

April 15, 2009

Seth Finkelstein sums up the open letter to-do

Filed under: Founder, Other projects, Press & blogs — Larry Sanger @ 9:22 am

In an informative update, Seth Finkelstein has summed up the fallout to my Open Letter to Jimmy Wales. Among other things, Florence Devouard, former Chair of the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia Foundation, is quoted as saying, “I know it will only be a small satisfaction, but I wanted to mention that in the French speaking user guide book I recently co-wrote with Guillaume Paumier, you are recognised as a co-founder.”

Yes, that is a small satisfaction, thank you, Florence. It would be nice if the Board of Trustees were to issue a statement reiterating its original 2004 position on the foundership issue. It would also be nice to read a public statement that it no longer considers Jimmy Wales to be a reliable source when it comes to matters of the early history of Wikipedia. I won’t hold my breath.

April 8, 2009

Updates re “Open letter to Jimmy Wales”

Filed under: Founder, Other projects — Larry Sanger @ 1:50 pm

Here are a bunch of updates on the fall-out to my open letter to Jimmy Wales.

UPDATE: Jimmy Wales has personally deleted this letter from his user talk page, with the explanation, “Decline to participate, sorry.” Well, I didn’t really expect Jimmy to “participate.” What could he possibly say? I’ll re-add the open letter on his page, and make that clear.

UPDATE 2: I restored the open letter to Jimmy Wales’ user talk page, prepending this:

Note: the following letter has been deleted, restored, and then deleted again. Let me clarify something. Jimmy’s participation in a public debate is not necessary. But I do want to assert a right to place this open letter on his user talk page — he is, after all, the project’s leading light. Besides, it is unseemly to delete an earnest, legitimate, and justified complaint. Openness to this sort of public criticism seems to be a requirement of any leader of such an open project devoted to freedom of speech and transparency. I have some very legitimate complaints about how Jimmy has treated me and my role in Wikipedia, and I wish to be heard — even if no response is offered.

UPDATE 3: there’s now a revert war going on, with some people deleting the letter and others restoring it. Well, I won’t restore it any further myself.

UPDATE 4: after more revert warring, I posted this:

It seems clear that Jimmy and his assistants will not permit my open letter to him to appear here. While I think this violates my rights, and the transparency and freedom of speech that ought to be part of an open project, I can recognize a lost cause when I see one. Therefore, I’ll simply link to a copy of the letter. I can only hope that will be acceptable to those in authority here. –User:Larry Sanger

UPDATE 5: I just noticed that Jimmy Wales deleted not only my open letter, he also deleted an earlier discussion section, titled “It’s a serious question, so let’s stop this fussing.” Here is the relevant part of the exchange:

Jimbo, under established precedent of users being able to re-add edits from banned users if they are willing to take responsibility for said edit, may I please ask the following question, one which has been added and removed from here countless times, causing more “drama” than the actual question.

Jimbo, could you please explain why in August 2002, you introduced yourself as “co-founder” of Wikipedia; but in May 2007, you declared yourself the “sole founder” of Wikipedia?

Many thanks GTD 12:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks like a typo.–User:Jimbo Wales (talk) 13:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure you want to go with that answer, Jimmy? It doesn’t sound very credible.

No, it wasn’t a typo. I recall you referring to yourself as “co-founder” a number times. I remember being ”distinctly annoyed” when, in 2004, you started referring to yourself as ”the” (singular) founder of Wikipedia. If we were to scour other archives from late 2001, 2002, and 2003, I’m sure we would find other instances–to say nothing of the first three official press releases. –User:Larry Sanger (talk) 15:43, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

When deleting this exchange, Jimmy wrote, “declining participation in this debate - not interested, sorry”. And yet, as you can see above, he did participate in it. He apparently changed his mind after I arrived on the scene. These sorts of embarrassing edits have a way of being removed permanently from Wikipedia page histories, so here is a WebCite copy.

UPDATE 6: it is very instructive to watch how Wikipedia’s administrators are reacting to the whole to-do (WebCite copy). No comment necessary.

UPDATE 7: it’s also instructive to watch how rank-and-file Wikipedians are reacting on Jimmy’s page.

UPDATE 8 (April 9): what do you know — the moderators of WikiEN-L let the open letter through. So now the general Wikipedia community should be apprised of it. No replies to it yet. While I think Wikipedians are willing to complain openly, they aren’t so willing to confront him. I suppose they still think that would amount to insurrection.

UPDATE 9: a discussion of the letter has started on WikiEN-L. As is to be expected, the discussion is not about the contents of the letter, but about the appropriateness of my speaking out. I’ve posted one response and will probably do a few more.

UPDATE 10: Jimmy Wales now offers this reply (permanent copy):

I am not fixated on it at all, thank you. Indeed, lots of people seem to want me to talk about it, but I’m not interested. I am being portrayed by some as believing things that I do not, and holding positions that I do not. As I have said many times, I think the entire “controversy” is silly and that Mr. Sanger is too often given too little credit for his work. (Note well that it is well known, though, that Tim Shell was the person who invented the notion of talk pages. Anyone else claiming credit for that now should be pushed hard.) There are a thousand other inventions by a hundred other lesser known early contributors, and a debate about semantics seems a bit absurd to me. Larry didn’t make Wikipedia, and neither did I. It was made by the community, and lots of people played interesting roles.–Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:43, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I’m sorry to have to say that this is just misdirection. By beginning, “I am not fixated on it at all,” Wales is implying that the issue is simply about whether to apply the word “co-founder” to me and himself or not. As I explained in my letter, that is not the only issue, or even the main issue, with which I am confronting him. The main issue is Jimmy Wales’ repeated false statements about me and my involvement.

By the way, Wales also deleted even a link to the open letter here (permanent copy), along with the discussion that followed. Clearly, he doesn’t want to be confronted in detail. He just says blandly, “Indeed, lots of people seem to want me to talk about it, but I’m not interested. I am being portrayed by some as believing things that I do not, and holding positions that I do not.”

UPDATE 11: an interesting discussion is going on on Jimmy Wales’ user talk page (permanent copy). I’m actually surprised it hasn’t been removed yet, considering how everything else that is unpalatable or embarrassing has been removed.

UPDATE 12 (April 10): as expected, Jimmy Wales has once again removed discussions that are embarrassing to him. Here is what the page looked like immediately before being deleted by Wales.

UPDATE 13: on WikiEN-L, after a few sympathetic messages, a whole crop of self-appointed silencers made a whole series of ridiculously fallacious arguments that I had no right to discuss my concerns on the list. They also took the opportunity to unfairly malign CZ, of course in an attempt to intimidate me into silence. Well, I wasn’t intimidated. But I could see that I couldn’t continue on without causing even more of an uproar. If the moderators were not willing to correct the aforementioned silencers, I could see that my continued presence would just generate heat and no light. I did have this to say: “my impression is that half or more of the people who have weighed in [i.e., Wikipedians on the wiki as well as on WikiEN-L] have said, among other things, ‘I think Larry has a legitimate complaint.’” So, there’s that.

Next stop: Foundation-L. Probably tomorrow, if they let me on the list.

UPDATE 14: I decided to post a response to Jimmy’s answer (above, UPDATE 10), which is all that he left after deleting everything else — including a link to the open letter to him. Here is my response:

Jimmy, have the decency to let me say one thing in response to the above. In the open letter itself, I quote a Hot Press answer from you, in which you said, “I feel that Larry’s work is often under-appreciated. He really did a lot in the first year to think through editorial policy. … I would actually love to have it on the record that I said: I think Larry’s work should be more appreciated. He’s a really brilliant guy.” Here is my answer to that: “This sounds like a fine sentiment. But how could it be sincere? What better way to ensure that I am ‘under-appreciated’ than to contradict your own first three press releases and tell the Boston Globe, just two years later, that it’s ‘preposterous’ that I am called co-founder?”

Please, everyone–I’d like to ask you please to leave this between me and Jimmy. He’ll just delete the discussion, along with my response, if you pile on. If you want to continue the discussion you’re welcome to come to the blog.

Most hopes aren’t high that he, or one of his minions, will resist being able to delete it (or ), so it will probably be gone soon.

An open letter to Jimmy Wales (copy)

Filed under: Founder, Other projects — Larry Sanger @ 11:06 am

I have posted an open letter to Jimmy Wales on his Wikipedia “user talk” page. (NOTE: link won’t work. Deleted. See below.)

NOTE: consider this letter GFDL. Feel free to post it far and wide.

UPDATES: I’ve moved quite a few updates about this here. Jimmy Wales deleted this letter personally, as well as a brief exchange in which he and I both participated.


Jimmy, I don’t know a better place than this for an open letter to you [i.e., than on your user talk page on Wikipedia]. I recently read the Hot Press interview with you. The lies and distortions it contains are, for me, the last straw, especially after this came to light, in which you described yourself as “co-founder” in 2002.

I’ve reached out to you on a couple of occasions to coordinate our “versions” — well, my version and your fanciful inventions — about how Wikipedia got started. Last year I read about a speech in which you represented me as being more or less opposed to Wikipedia from the start — despite it being my own baby, really — and I wrote to you saying that if you keep this up, I will speak out. Well, I’m finally speaking out.

In Wikipedia’s first three years, it was clear to everyone working on it that not only had I named the project, I came up with and promoted the idea of making a wiki encyclopedia, wrote the first policy pages and many more policy pages in the following year, led the project, and enforced many rules that are now taken for granted. I came up with a lot of stuff that is regarded as standard operating procedure. For instance, I argued that talk should go on talk pages and got people into that habit. Similarly, after meta-discussion started taking up so much of Wikipedia’s time and energy, I shepherded talk about the project to meta.wikipedia.org — and after that, to Wikipedia-L and WikiEN-L. I insisted that we were working on an encyclopedia, not on the many other things one can use a wiki for. I came up with the name “Wikipedian” and other Wikipedia jargon. I had devised a neutrality policy for Nupedia, and I elaborated it in a form that stood for several years on Wikipedia. I did a lot of explaining and evangelizing for Wikipedia — what it is about, why we are here, and so forth — for example, in Wikipedia:Our Replies to Our Critics and a couple of well-known posts on kuro5hin.org like this one and this. I also recall introducing many specific policy details, the evidence for which is in archives (such as on archive.org) and no doubt in the memories of some of the more active early Wikipedians.

These are only some examples of ways in which I led the project in its first 14 months; after I left, there was a lot of soul-searching in the project about what would happen now that it was “leaderless” (see the quotations linked from this page). When I was involved in the project, I was regarded as its chief organizer. As you can still see in the archives, I called myself “Chief Instigator” and “Chief Organizer” and the like (not editor).

I also want to correct you on something that tends to harm me: your repeated insinuations that I was “fired.” In the Hot Press interview, you said I left Wikipedia because you “didn’t want to pay him any more.” You know — and so does everyone else who worked at Bomis, Inc., around a dozen people — that at the end of 2001, you had to go back to Bomis’ original 4-5 employees, because of the tech market bust, when Bomis suddenly lost a million-dollar ad deal. Tim Shell told me I was the last person to be laid off. He told me — the day I arrived back from my honeymoon, as I recall — that I should probably start looking for new work, because of the market. I was made to believe, and always did until a few years ago when you started implying otherwise, that I had been laid off just like all the other Bomis employees.

In those first three years, Wikipedia did three press releases, in which we are both given credit as founders of the project. I drafted the first press release in January 2002; you read and approved it before posting it on the wires. Moreover, you must have read the many early news articles that called us both founders. You could have complained then — when you were CEO of the company that paid my paycheck. But you didn’t. In fact, you called yourself “co-founder” from time to time. Evidence of this has surfaced in the form of this post to xodp in which you begin, “Hello, let me introduce myself. I’m Jimmy Wales, co-founder of Nupedia and Wikipedia, the open content encyclopedias.” While your company supplied the funding and you supplied some guidance, I supplied the main leadership of the early project. This is why Wikipedia’s second press release also called me “founder,” in 2003 — just after I broke permanently with you and the Wikipedia community — and the Wikimedia Foundation’s first press release described me the same way, in early 2004.

I had nothing to do with the second and third press releases, and, as Bomis CEO and Wikimedia Chair, you approved all three. But now read what you told Hot Press recently. The interviewer asked: “Sanger said that proof of his being co-founder is on the initial press releases. Are you saying that he basically just put himself down as co-founder on these press releases?” You answered “Yes.” How could I “put myself down as co-founder” in 2003 and 2004, when I wasn’t even part of the organization? This is an attempt to buff your reputation while making me look like a liar — but your simple “Yes” answer can be refuted with a few URLs; you were a contact on all three press releases.

Beginning in 2004, you began leaving me out of the story of Wikipedia’s origin. You began implying, to reporters, that you had done a lot of the sort of work that, in fact, you hired me to do. You have even implied that I was opposed to various ideas that were crucial to Wikipedia’s popular success — when those were, for all intents and purposes, my own ideas. A good example is Daniel Pink’s article for Wired Magazine — in which you implied that I had little or nothing to do with Wikipedia.

You still do this. You told the Hot Press interviewer, “Larry was never comfortable with the open-editing model of Wikipedia and he very early on wanted to start locking things down and giving certain people special authority — you know, recruit experts to supervise certain areas of the encyclopaedia and things like that.” This is a lie. I was perfectly comfortable with the “open-editing model of Wikipedia.” After all, that was my idea. I did not want to “start locking things down” — or to “recruit experts to supervise certain areas of the encyclopaedia.” I challenge anyone to find any evidence in the archive that I did any such thing. For my early attitude toward expert involvement, see this column, written a year after the project started. Besides, your claim doesn’t make sense. Even after a year, I was hoping that a revitalized Nupedia would work in tandem with Wikipedia as its vetting service. Though you increasingly disliked Nupedia as Wikipedia’s star rose, it was always my assumption that you felt the same way about at least the potential of the two projects working together.

It was one thing, in 2004, to leave me out of the story of Wikipedia. It was another to assert in 2005, (1) for the very first time, that somebody else had the idea for the project, contrary to what had been on the books since 2001, or (2) that I am not co-founder of the project. But in both cases, people scanning the Wikipedia-L mailing list archives found old mails in which you contradicted yourself. One embarrassing mail has you giving me credit — as, of course, I always had been given credit — for the idea of Wikipedia, and another embarrassing mail surfaced just a few days ago in which you called yourself “co-founder” of Wikipedia.

I find your behavior since 2004 transparently self-serving, considering that this rewriting of history began in 2004, just as Wikia.com was getting started, and you started promoting your reputation as the brains behind Wikipedia. There is a long “paper trail” establishing virtually all of my claims about Wikipedia, and which refute your various attempts to rewrite history.

I have not publicly confronted you about this before, to this extent. Public controversies are emotionally wrenching and time-consuming. I know I might be (verbally) attacked more viciously than ever by your fans and Wikipedia’s. (To them, I just point out that Wikipedia is bigger than Jimmy Wales.) I have mainly limited myself to answering reporters’ questions — keeping my more harshly-worded statements off the record — and to this page on my personal site. Occasionally I couldn’t help objecting to some particularly outrageous claim, but I never went all out.

I thought that the evidence against your claims about me would shame you into changing your behavior. But, five years since you started misrepresenting my role in the founding of Wikipedia, you’re still at it.

I have been content to watch you reap the rewards of the project I started for you, largely without comment. You (with Tim Shell and Michael Davis, the Bomis partners) did, after all, sponsor the project. After leaving Wikipedia, I went back to academia and, after that, worked for a succession of nonprofit projects — these days, Citizendium.org and now also WatchKnow.org. I have not tried to cash in on my own reputation. I have been approached by a number of venture capitalists, entrepreneurs, and publishers and have always told them that I have my own plans. If I had wanted to cash in myself, I wouldn’t have moved away from Silicon Valley back to Ohio, as I did, in order to lower my costs in supporting the non-profit projects which I’ve made my life’s work.

The Hot Press interview is the straw that broke this camel’s back. I resent being the victim of another person’s self-serving lies. Besides, I don’t want to set a poor example in my failure to defend myself.

Please don’t say I’m making mountains out of molehills. When you go out of your way to edit Wikipedia articles to remove the fact that I am a co-founder, or ask others to do so, I don’t call that correcting “very simple errors,” as you told Hot Press. What angers me is not any one error, but the accumulated weight of your lies about me — I’ve mentioned only a few of them here.

Finally, you might protest that you have said, several times, that I am not credited enough. For example, you told Hot Press:

I feel that Larry’s work is often under-appreciated. He really did a lot in the first year to think through editorial policy. … I would actually love to have it on the record that I said: I think Larry’s work should be more appreciated. He’s a really brilliant guy.

This sounds like a fine sentiment. But how could it be sincere? What better way to ensure that I am “under-appreciated” than to contradict your own first three press releases and tell the Boston Globe, just two years later, that it’s “preposterous” that I am called co-founder?

I have two further requests, not of you, but of those who deal with you: the Wikimedia Foundation and reporters.

First, I ask the Board of the Wikimedia Foundation to reiterate the Foundation’s original position (as expressed in its first press release) that we are both, in fact, founders of Wikipedia. (I note that the author of the recent history of Wikipedia, Andrew “fuzheado” Lih, was among the authors and contacts for this press release.) If the Foundation is unwilling, I request an explanation why its corporate view has changed. Is it simply because Jimmy Wales has made his wishes known and you enforce them?

Second, I request any reporter who interviews you about the early history of Wikipedia and Nupedia to interview me as well, so I can correct anything misleading. They should know that there are many details in my 2005 memoir of Nupedia and Wikipedia, and my story has never varied. I would also appreciate it if a reporter were to inquire about my request, above, to the Board of the Wikimedia Foundation.

— Larry Sanger (sanger@citizendium.org)

(Here is a WebCite copy of the post made a few minutes after posting, and a copy of the revision history of the page.)

April 4, 2009

A note about the word “founder”

Filed under: Founder, Other projects, Press & blogs — Larry Sanger @ 1:35 pm

I have usually bitten my tongue in the four or five years since Jimmy Wales stopped crediting me as co-founder of Wikipedia. There are many things I have not said, or that I could say more pointedly, but which I did not. This is partly because I don’t like a scandal, but mostly it’s because I was raised to be modest, and to press my advantage always seemed in bad taste to me (even if it’s de rigeur for so many). But I will no longer mince words when Jimmy Wales continues to lie and misrepresent to the media — as he has done in a recent Hot Press interview the contents of which I’ve seen — about my role. It is deeply disappointing that Wales continues on shamelessly as he has been doing, after this long, and in spite of the shockingly poor match between his claims and the living record available online. The interview I mentioned, along with the recent rediscovery of a comment in which Wales called himself “co-founder” of Wikipedia in 2002, are really the straw that broke this camel’s back.

So, in addition to giving a pointed interview and blow-by-blow reply to the same writer who interviewed Wales, I’ve added a note to the “My role in Wikipedia” page on my personal website. Here it is, a note about the word “founder”:

I believe “founder” is used in two closely-related ways, depending on whether the thing founded is either a business enterprise, on the one hand, or a community project, movement, etc., on the other hand. In a business context, frequently, the founders of an enterprise are its original funders or sponsors. In a community context, however, the founders are those who had the most personal influence in getting a community started. So, for example, we might say the French government was a “founder” of the United States in the business sense, while Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin were among the community founders.

So, on the one hand, we can say that Bomis, Inc. was the founder of Wikipedia in the “business sense.” Strictly speaking, the “business founder” of Wikipedia was not Jimmy Wales individually, since it was Bomis that paid the bills for Wikipedia (including my paycheck), and Wales, Tim Shell, and Michael Davis were, to the best of my knowledge, equal partners and co-owners of Bomis, Inc.

On the other hand — and I am sorry to have to say this myself, because I know it sounds so immodest coming from my own mouth, but after the events of recent years I just want the truth stated clearly — I have a much stronger claim than Jimmy Wales has to being a founder of Wikipedia in the community sense. As you can see from the evidence above, and as I think most people who were there will attest, I was far more active than he was in the first 14 months of the project, and my influence on the community, in terms of organizational work, general policy, and important decisions was far greater than his. For anyone wondering what I could possibly mean by this, I would point to my memoir for clarification. I’d also like to point out that Jimmy Wales has written no similar memoir, because he really did not do that very much in the community to write about. If he ever does write a memoir of the events of the first 14 months of Wikipedia, he knows I will be on hand to keep him honest.

Finally, I submit that, since Wikipedia is best known and most useful not as a “business enterprise” but as a free resource and worldwide non-profit community, the most relevant sense of foundership is not the business sense but the community sense.

July 22, 2008

I’m twittering

Filed under: Founder, Web 2.0 — Larry Sanger @ 9:47 am

Not that I’m particularly proud of that.

July 16, 2008

I’m 40…

Filed under: Founder, Project growth — Larry Sanger @ 9:47 am

…yep, it’s my birthday, so I’m taking the day off, but I thought I’d pop in here long enough to thank the people who have been writing me articles for my birthday.

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