Comments on: Review of Keen’s “Cult of the Amateur” http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200 Weblog about the Citizendium project and its Citizens. Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:41:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Jae http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-196542 Jae Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:20:45 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-196542 Keen is cutting out the task which we, Web 2.0's producers, need to face, if we want to be meaningful producers. This means undertaking the philosophical task of coming to terms with our own values and morals. What happens when persons are given the task of 'producer', without undertaking much meaningful self exploratoon? Thus the rampant polemic of Web 2.0 ... try not to shoot the messenger ;) Keen is doing something positive here, but it seems like people's ego's are too inflated to realize. Keen is cutting out the task which we, Web 2.0’s producers, need to face, if we want to be meaningful producers. This means undertaking the philosophical task of coming to terms with our own values and morals. What happens when persons are given the task of ‘producer’, without undertaking much meaningful self exploratoon? Thus the rampant polemic of Web 2.0 … try not to shoot the messenger ;) Keen is doing something positive here, but it seems like people’s ego’s are too inflated to realize.

]]> By: SEO Singapore http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-107307 SEO Singapore Sun, 25 May 2008 16:02:43 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-107307 There's still much to be seen about the true Web 2.0 potential. There are many Web 2.0 companies but not many have the potential to be listed. There’s still much to be seen about the true Web 2.0 potential. There are many Web 2.0 companies but not many have the potential to be listed.

]]> By: Larry Sanger http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-81985 Larry Sanger Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:02:16 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-81985 Not sure what you're talking about, JB. What point are we missing, and how have we been "had"? Not sure what you’re talking about, JB. What point are we missing, and how have we been “had”?

]]> By: JB http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-81883 JB Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:36:09 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-81883 Are we all missing the point? Check out: http://lessig.org/blog/2007/05/keens_the_cult_of_the_amateur.html We've all been had, especially the 'professional media industry'. Are we all missing the point? Check out: http://lessig.org/blog/2007/05/keens_the_cult_of_the_amateur.html
We’ve all been had, especially the ‘professional media industry’.

]]> By: Citizendium Blog » Reactionary? http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-75572 Citizendium Blog » Reactionary? Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:48:24 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-75572 [...] a blog post by Ethan Zuckerman, discussing a talk by Andrew Keen of Cult of the Amateur infamy: [Keen is] a fan of Citizendium, the Larry Sanger project to create a wikipedia by [...] [...] a blog post by Ethan Zuckerman, discussing a talk by Andrew Keen of Cult of the Amateur infamy: [Keen is] a fan of Citizendium, the Larry Sanger project to create a wikipedia by [...]

]]> By: Hubris, meet Nemesis « http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-56061 Hubris, meet Nemesis « Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:19:44 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-56061 [...] Larry Sanger [...] [...] Larry Sanger [...]

]]> By: Mark http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-48888 Mark Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:00:42 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-48888 Great Review. I actually found out about citizendium from the book. Great Review. I actually found out about citizendium from the book.

]]> By: KlangenFarben http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-41234 KlangenFarben Tue, 16 Oct 2007 02:24:02 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-41234 Keen is as self-righteous as they come. Disreputable information does not come only from amateurs, but professionals with an ax to grind. Fortunately this guy will never have the power to keep the workers from owning means of production. Keen is as self-righteous as they come. Disreputable information does not come only from amateurs, but professionals with an ax to grind.

Fortunately this guy will never have the power to keep the workers from owning means of production.

]]> By: Britta http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-32520 Britta Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:15:15 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-32520 I know that the internet is allowing people to pirate music and vidoes, robbing artists of money. However I must draw the line where the author states that youtube ''steals culture.....'' As far as i am concerned, hundreds of people have gotten jobs in one field or another by posting and using youtube. I know a man who posted a video of himself doing a ''robot dance'' and he got to star in a dancing movie after someone in hollywood saw it. Another man Liam Sullivan made it big when he wrote various sketches/songs such as ''Shoes'' and Txt Msg Break Up''. He went on tour and now sells merchandise for what he has written. As far as i am concerned, the internet is a way of self expression so lang as the users are ''safe'' and do not do anything illegal. I have to strongly disagree with the statement that the internet ''steals culture'' It enhances American's insights as far as how colorful the world really is. Knowlege is power and i do not believe that knowlege should be limited in a SOCIETY where information is something you cannot live without. The world has changed and we have to find a way to get over it and focus on illegal acts on computers instead of what ppeople actually benefit from. I know that the internet is allowing people to pirate music and vidoes, robbing artists of money. However I must draw the line where the author states that youtube ‘’steals culture…..” As far as i am concerned, hundreds of people have gotten jobs in one field or another by posting and using youtube. I know a man who posted a video of himself doing a ”robot dance” and he got to star in a dancing movie after someone in hollywood saw it. Another man Liam Sullivan made it big when he wrote various sketches/songs such as ”Shoes” and Txt Msg Break Up”. He went on tour and now sells merchandise for what he has written. As far as i am concerned, the internet is a way of self expression so lang as the users are ‘’safe” and do not do anything illegal. I have to strongly disagree with the statement that the internet ‘’steals culture” It enhances American’s insights as far as how colorful the world really is. Knowlege is power and i do not believe that knowlege should be limited in a SOCIETY where information is something you cannot live without. The world has changed and we have to find a way to get over it and focus on illegal acts on computers instead of what ppeople actually benefit from.

]]> By: Viviane http://blog.citizendium.org/?p=200#comment-31026 Viviane Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:36:24 +0000 http://blog.citizendium.org/2007/07/17/review-of-keens-cult-of-the-amateur-2/#comment-31026 Thank you very much for this preview. I think this debate is not going over the right thing. Internet is only showing more clearly more structural aspects of our society. This Cult of amateurism is following me an effect of the myth of the equality (translation for French). Believing eveybody is 'equal' means that everybody has en equal access to knowledge, public spaces, politics, education... But we know, this is not true. It is even worse than we think because the society is becoming more dual than we think: the mass and the others having the decisional power, money... The main problem is this how we stratify and structure the society and with the rising of mass tools (internet, media, telivision...), the mainstreaming mass is more compact than ever, and real changes in the hands of very very fews. Thank you very much for this preview. I think this debate is not going over the right thing. Internet is only showing more clearly more structural aspects of our society. This Cult of amateurism is following me an effect of the myth of the equality (translation for French). Believing eveybody is ‘equal’ means that everybody has en equal access to knowledge, public spaces, politics, education… But we know, this is not true. It is even worse than we think because the society is becoming more dual than we think: the mass and the others having the decisional power, money… The main problem is this how we stratify and structure the society and with the rising of mass tools (internet, media, telivision…), the mainstreaming mass is more compact than ever, and real changes in the hands of very very fews.

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