Talk:John Franklin/Draft

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Richard Jensen first nominated this article for approval and without changes, (number 100126212) this version has been approved using the individual editor method. --Matt Innis (Talk) 10:53, 5 July 2007 (CDT)


A note to other pilot editors/authors: While I am using some bits of the wikipedia source here as scaffolding, I plan to eventually re-write almost the entite article. The wikipedia entry was rife with errors (4 substantial errors of fact, and dozens of misleading/incomplete statements). Drawing from many years working on and writing about Franklin, I'm hoping to eventually make this a showcase entry, adding illustrations from my own collections of images.

Russell Potter 08:19, 31 October 2006 (CST)


I've already left a note on Eric's user page, but wanted to note here also that while the daguerreotype by Beard is an ideal image of Sir John Franklin, it is not fully in the public domain.

There's a twist in copyright law in the UK and US which allows owners of drawings, objets d'art, and photographs to control "derivative images" even when any original copyright inhering in the work itself is extinct. It's actually not copyright law, but property law -- imagine if someone took a photo of your house and you did not want it used without your say-so. Images derived from items in museums and archives may be restricted -- and often are -- under this principle.

So the image of Franklin captured by the daguerreotype, only two copies of which exist (Beard's camera used a prism to split the light and make two images in relatively rapid sequence) can't be used without the permission of one of those parties, since it is a "derivative" work of them.

I've updloaded an old newspaper engraving from 1855 -- no copyright is in it (UK engravings become PD 100 years after the death of the illustrator) -- as john_franklin1.jpg, but have had trouble getting it to display properly, as the dauguerreotype currently does. If Eric or anyone could lend a hand on this I would be most grateful.

Russell Potter 10:04, 1 November 2006 (CST)

Aaaaaaarrrghhhh! (was: Picture)

This is maddening: I have uploaded the picture I want, with the filename that I want, and placed it in the article as directed -- but all I get is a red-text file name and no picture. If anyone could advise on this problem, I'd be most grateful!

Russell Potter 10:46, 1 November 2006 (CST)

Yay! (was: Picture)

I'm delighted to see the proper image now shows up -- my thanks to whoever made it possible!

Russell Potter 13:30, 1 November 2006 (CST)

Current version

Just a note: I have now nearly completely rewritten this entry; only a few sentences from the beginning (mostly statements of basic fact) and a couple of short passages in later sections remain. Russell Potter 10:41, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

APPROVED Version 1.0

Good Job! Another history approval. --Matt Innis (Talk) 11:02, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

WP checkbox

The checkbox was accidentally removed, a constable should add it. Yi Zhe Wu 10:39, 7 July 2007 (CDT)

No, I removed the checkbox deliberately -- there are only a few sentences left in this entry from the WP version, and all of those are sentences I wrote for WP. I've added the appropriate notice at the top of the talk page. Russell Potter 10:45, 7 July 2007 (CDT)