User talk:D. Matt Innis/Archive 6

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U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Matt: Howard Berkowitz nominated the subject article for approval a few days ago and it is due for approval tomorrow (June 16th). I would like to add the Environmental Engineering subworkgroup into the article's Metadata page. Can I do that without extending the nomination approval date? In other words, if I do it tonight or tomorrow morning, will it still be approved as of tomorrow evening?

Please let me know as soon as you can. Thanks, - Milton Beychok 20:23, 15 June 2008 (CDT)

Yes, Milton, at this point there is nothing that would keep you from adding or changing a workgroup anytime you please. --D. Matt Innis 07:30, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
When I add the subworkgroup, should I at the same time change the url of the nominated page? Or is that not needed?
Yes, I has already seen Larry's comment and I am aware of the discussion on this subject on the Forums. Chris Day will be submitting a proposal or resolution regarding subworkgroups. CZ currently has at least one subworkgroup and perhaps a few others on a test basis to see how they work out. - Milton Beychok 11:37, 16 June 2008 (CDT)

Speedy speedup?

Hi, can you nuke NGC 6694, NGC 6994 and Vicksburg Campaign, please? I stuck a speedy on the first two a couple of days ago so I could fix a naming error, but so far no motion... Thanks! J. Noel Chiappa 07:43, 16 June 2008 (CDT)

Thanks! J. Noel Chiappa 11:38, 16 June 2008 (CDT)
PS: Time to archive your talk page soon... :-)
Thanks to you! Hope you got that pool fixed :-) --D. Matt Innis 12:14, 16 June 2008 (CDT)

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Approval

Hi, Matt: Howard Berkowitz's specified date for approval of the subject article was 08:15 on June 6, 2000 ... in other words, this morning. Can you please let me know when the Approval process will be completed by you? Thanks in advance, - Milton Beychok 22:14, 16 June 2008 (CDT)


Hi, D. Matt Innis, thanks for offering support. I've written a draft article and would like to know how to have it approved/published. Thanks, -Koen Demol 11:39, 19 June 2008 (CDT)


Hi, Matt, I think that the article is sufficiently linked now, but I don't know ho to make these links operative? :) Koen Demol 04:39, 21 June 2008 (CDT)

Martin Truex Jr.

Yes I have been known for getting articles done fast, I'm going to get started back on the Kurt Busch article.(Rocky Zeckoski 20:20, 29 June 2008 (CDT))

Registration Page

I don't know where to bring up this issue... I believe the Account Registration page should be rewritten. As it is written, it will turn away many potential authors rather than encouraging them to register and contribute. I personally decided not to register several months ago when I first investigated Citizendium because I misunderstood the registration process.

I am not saying that any registration procedures should be changed and I am not saying that there is anything on the registration page which is wrong, just that the page gives a first time reader a bad impression. Richard Williams 20:59, 12 July 2008 (CDT)

Richard, thanks for the feedback! Your opinion is very much appreciated. As far as where to bring this up, the forum is probably the best place to start - perhaps this conversation is relevant. Just chime in with your concern and somebody will respond. You might find another good spot as well. D. Matt Innis 09:12, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
The registration page has no history. Who created the page and who is responsible for maintaining it? Any discussion will need to involve the person who created the page. Richard Williams 17:41, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
Well, that would be Larry Sanger himself. You could go there, but I would consider making this a community effort. D. Matt Innis 19:25, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
You're made some very sweeping statements about the page but absolutely no indication about *what* is wrong with it. Could you give us a hint? Hayford Peirce 18:24, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
Hayford, have a look at Richard's talk page for starters. I asked him if he could be more specific about his worries and he replied there. --Joe Quick 18:29, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
okie, thanks! Hayford Peirce 19:03, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
I intentionally did not say what is wrong because neither this page nor my talk page is the appropriate place to have such a discussion. Since the registration page does not have an associated discussion page it is not clear where such a discussion should take place. One suggestion is the forum, but I think CZ:Recruitment may be better. Richard Williams 19:26, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
Richard, almost all of the active Citizens read and participate in the forums. I would speculate that very few people read CZ:Recruitment. The forums would be the best place to air this subject. - Milton Beychok 20:04, 13 July 2008 (CDT)
Discussion opened at: [1]. Please join. I am hoping this will be a general discussion about the registration page rather than just a discussion of my personal opinions. Richard Williams 16:02, 15 July 2008 (CDT)

Publicizing Citizendium

Hi Matt, I am wondering why you can't see the Citizendium articles on Google, why Wikipedia is so easy to find there? Koen Demol 14:45, 13 July 2008 (CDT)

Here is a web page (which I found with a web search!) that describes search engine ranking factors: [2]. For example, I think if there are lots of other web pages (especially respected ones, such as university websites; and web pages that are themselves relevant to the topic) that link to the pages, then I think that raises their profile. So one thing to do is to encourage people to link to Citizendium articles. Catherine Woodgold 20:40, 20 July 2008 (CDT)


So, um ... there's no such thing as barnstars here? Well, anyway, D.Matt, I'd like to thank you for your patient, loyal, tireless work as Constable here. What would Citizendium do without you? Catherine Woodgold 20:36, 20 July 2008 (CDT)

No barnstars, but here's a small gift Matt, as a gesture of my personal appreciation and respect:Federation of Straight Chiropractors and Organizations. I know, it's the sort of gift you'd like to give away fast, but aren't they just the best :-) ?14:07, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

LOL, alright you guys! You got me to talk, and no, I won't be passing that gift on!!! I couldn't have said it better myself - you're getting pretty good at this stuff GARETH! D. Matt Innis 14:59, 29 July 2008 (CDT)

By the way, I prefer chocolate. You can find my address anywhere online :-D D. Matt Innis 19:27, 29 July 2008 (CDT)
Gareth: what a great idea: writing an article as a gift for D.Matt! Now we just have to find an Editor to Approve it. D.Matt: "gimme, gimme" never gets. :-) Catherine Woodgold 10:28, 2 August 2008 (CDT)

Dokdo is go

I approve the latest changes. Richard Jensen 09:54, 22 July 2008 (CDT)

:-) Blackjacks bouncing on the back of my head...

The game, of course, is not upper case. NATO code names are, by convention, all caps -- lots of military things are all caps, for no really obvious reason. I understand that Model 33 Teletypes and below didn't have upper and lower case, but they were a long time ago. Howard C. Berkowitz 21:28, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

I don't see the airplane at the disambiguation page. This is one of those things where specialists might look for it in all caps, but there's no reason for a general user to expect that convention. Howard C. Berkowitz 21:31, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

This probably should go to the Forums, but the convention I've been using, assuming that it's equally likely that someone might search either on the Russian common name or the NATO designation, is to create the article under the most common Russian name, in this cast Tu-160, and then create a redirect of BLACKJACK to it. Do you think I should be combining the two designations in the article name? This can really get complex at times, as the Russians sometimes manage to have several names for the same thing, although I suppose that's a pretty standard convention in Russian novels.
For example, what NATO calls the SA-6 GAINFUL missile is called, in Russia, 2K12 and KUB (which means Cube). Howard C. Berkowitz 21:45, 3 August 2008 (CDT)
This same issue came up on the Biology workgroup with all the different names of plants and animals. Check in there and see where they left off, though I think we lost a lot of good editors while trying to work that one out! D. Matt Innis 22:11, 3 August 2008 (CDT)

Would you please read the thread on the forums about the Global warming article?

Matt, as one of our Constables, would you please read this thread here on the forums about the neutrality of the Global warming external article ported here from Wikipedia? Do you think some action should or should not be taken? I will await your response in that thread on the forums.Thanks in advance. Milton Beychok 15:07, 13 August 2008 (CDT)


Hey, D.Matt – do you know anything about images? Catherine Woodgold 21:43, 14 August 2008 (CDT)

Hi Catherine, I know a little (or can send you where you need to go)... what do you need? D. Matt Innis 20:31, 15 August 2008 (CDT)
What's with calling me "Catherine"? Hey, I can't change my signature to "Cathy", can I? But you know me well enough to not always go around thinking of me as "Catherine", don't you? :-) (Well, it is my name. I don't mind, really.)
Anyway, about those images: well, I was just wondering if there was some way to copy an image over from Wikimedia Commons or something, to go with my Rideau Canal article. Like this one: [3]. It says it's public domain. Catherine Woodgold 21:13, 15 August 2008 (CDT)
Well, Cathy, while I think I might be able to help with the image, I'm afraid I can't read french, which makes it difficult for me to verify where it originated? D. Matt Innis 21:30, 15 August 2008 (CDT)
It says "Provenant du Wikipédia francophone: "Il s'agit d'une vue du canal Rideau, à Ottawa." fr:Utilisateur:Staatenloser originallement 1 août, 2005" which I would translate as "Coming from the French Wikipedia: "It concerns a view of the Rideau Canal, Ottawa". User Staatenloser August 1, 2005." Catherine Woodgold 21:43, 15 August 2008 (CDT)
Oh, we need to have a specific person who releases it to the pubic domain.. I don't think just the French Wikipedia will cut the mustard, though you might be able to track down the users real name somehow and ask permission. D. Matt Innis 22:02, 15 August 2008 (CDT)
Oh, I guess it is a little ambiguous, D.Matt. :-) Maybe Staatenloser is the one who copied it from French Wikipedia. And I guess you don't take pseudonyms. Maybe I'll have to get out my camera and take my own picture, after all. Wait, let me look at the other pictures. What about this one? [4] or this [5] with a historical feel to it. Catherine Woodgold 22:17, 15 August 2008 (CDT)
Yes! the first one is fine! The second one might be as well, but you need to find the actual site that it came from and make sure it is released. Meanwhile, use the upload link in the left hand column and click on the Flickr link in the upload instructions and everything shoul dgo pretty smooth for the first one. D. Matt Innis 22:21, 15 August 2008 (CDT)
Didit!! Rideau Canal now has an image! Thanks for your help. Catherine Woodgold 14:13, 16 August 2008 (CDT)
And it looks great! Thank Stephen and Joe for all the work on the upload template, they made it so much easier than it used to be. D. Matt Innis 15:17, 16 August 2008 (CDT)


Hello D. Matt. Thanks for the friendly message on my talk page. I’m still reading the documentation of the project but I already have one question: I am not a native speaker of English, so I would like to know if there are editors (or group of editors) who could revise my texts, just to help me on making them more comprehensible, or to correct any misspelling. My user page, for instance, it is my presentation to the community and should be well written. I don’t know if it is because I read a lot in English but rarely write on it. Marcelo B. Barata Ribeiro 13:33, 16 August 2008 (CDT)

I like doing things like that! I would be happy to help. I'll make some suggestions about your user page later. Catherine Woodgold 14:15, 16 August 2008 (CDT)
Thanks Cathy! And good luck Marcelo, she's a stickler for grammer.. and watch out for those Candian spellings!! D. Matt Innis 15:19, 16 August 2008 (CDT)
She's a good teacher. I think I'll hire her! Marcelo B. Barata Ribeiro 18:39, 17 August 2008 (CDT)

Approval of American Institute of Chemical Engineers

Hi, Matt: Just a gentle reminder that American Institute of Chemical Engineers is due for finalization of approval today. Thanks, Milton Beychok 23:09, 21 September 2008 (CDT)

ooʇ ɯsıןoqɐʇǝɯ. :) Chris Day 23:56, 21 September 2008 (CDT)
Got 'em... even ɯsıןoqɐʇǝɯ! D. Matt Innis 09:07, 22 September 2008 (CDT)

Hello, with a question

Just registered and went over to look at Forums. Logged in with my user name and password -- the new one I created, not the one they sent me -- and it said in bright red that no user of that name exists. Now what? Timothy Perper 19:31, 24 September 2008 (CDT)

As I recall, you need to register separately fot the forums. Milton Beychok 21:35, 24 September 2008 (CDT)
Thanks. I managed to register! Timothy Perper 05:24, 25 September 2008 (CDT)

Hello again, with another question

Sorry to bother you again, Matt, but does Citizendium have the equivalent of the Wikipedia sandbox? A sandbox is a separately editable subpage listed under the user's name on which one places various text, references, and comments about something one is working on. One edits the sandbox copy, and when it's finished, copies and pastes it to the real page. This eliminates the need to work offline and facilitates communication among people who want to comment and make changes without altering the main, publically visible article. Since I work collaboratively, the sandbox is something of a necessity. Can you help? Thanks. Timothy Perper 05:52, 25 September 2008 (CDT)

Oops -- yes, I saw the blue item called "sandbox" on the welcome note. When I clicked on it, the page said "Gone." Which was, alas, something less than useful. Any help appreciated. Timothy Perper 06:00, 25 September 2008 (CDT)
Matt, do you want me to fix Timothy's sandbox? Please let me know. -Milton Beychok 10:32, 25 September 2008 (CDT)
Matt, not having heard from you, I went ahead and placed a link to his sandbox on his user page. - Milton Beychok 12:14, 25 September 2008 (CDT)

Sigh. Another question

Ah, the tribulations of being new to something... Anyway, I've started a revision of the article Gender and have a proposed revision on the discussion page of the article and on User:Timothy_Perper/Sandbox. Question(s): I do not know the social protocols and customs here for adding new material and replacing old material (the mechanics are easy and aren't the problem; the social customs are what's important). Obviously I don't want to annoy whoever it was who wrote the first draft, and would like to contact that person if possible. And I'd also like some advice about how to go about discussing the content of the changes before just pasting and copying. Any words of wisdom? Thanks. Timothy Perper 12:33, 26 September 2008 (CDT)

Yup -- be bold! For minor editing, revisions, additions, just go ahead and do it. Put a brief explanation in the "Summary" box just above the "Save page" button. For non-controversial additions (not revisions), just add them. For major revisions, or controversial editing, start a discussion about them on the talk page first. Remember: no one here owns an article. If Carl Sandburg himself wrote the first draft of an article about Abe Lincoln, that doesn't mean he couldn't be edited, revised, or added to without being consulted beforehand about every single point. And, of course, as you yourself so obviously are, we are at all times (mostly, hehe) "collegial and congenial" in doing our writing, editing, and discussing (arguing, hehe). Hayford Peirce 12:46, 26 September 2008 (CDT)
The Old Be Bold Trick, eh? OK <grin>. I have the working copy of the revision on my sandbox User:Timothy_Perper/Sandbox?, since it's a lot easier to do editing and talking and, um, discussing over there than on the talk page. For example, Hayford, you suggested making the writing more accessible to non-academic readers, and I'm making changes on the sandbox draft but not the talk page draft. Timothy Perper 13:01, 26 September 2008 (CDT)
Sounds fine to me. If I could think of a quick, easy, and correct way to change the "dichotomous" business, I would, but I can't, so I won't. There was a long discussion (argument) about this in a recent Forum that you might be interested in looking at. Larry himself weighed in a couple of times, so I think we can take it as Official Policy. I'll try to track down the exact site and then I'll add it here. Hayford Peirce 13:14, 26 September 2008 (CDT)
There is a 3-page Forum discussion that Larry initiated but the section I'm talking about begins about halfway down page 2, where Nick Gardiner asks a question....,1846.15.html Hayford Peirce 13:21, 26 September 2008 (CDT)
The following was written during an edit conflict. Yes, please do try to locate the discussion. For "gender," there are two polar viewpoints. One, which is often called "traditional," sees the dichotomy of male and female as natural, evolved or God-given, but basic and unmistakably real. The other, often called "post-modern," sees the male-female distinction as a matter of social construction of a false dichotomy where, in reality, all kinds of intermediates occur among people. I have published in this specific area, and can cite a good number of references to each view. However, dichotomization has been built into the definitions, at least as they are held by some people, and we cannot avoid discussing them. I don't know what "Official Policy" refers to, but whatever it is, it has to take second place to an objective and balanced analysis of these viewpoints. Those viewpoints come with the territory, and can't be erased by policy or by fiat. I would hope that "Official Policy" is to deal even-handedly with these different ideas and visions of what being male and female is all about. If not, then perhaps I am in the wrong place here, since I am a scholar dedicated to precisely such even-handed balance. More later, since I have to leave and run some errands now. I look forward to continuing the discussion tomorrow. Timothy Perper 13:33, 26 September 2008 (CDT)
Tim, your scholarly presentation is exactly what Citizendium is looking for. Please feel free to contribute whatever you feel is important here and if anyone disagrees, they will certainly have their opportunity to discuss it with you and others. I look forward to your input. It is my job to make sure we are following CZ:Professionalism policies while authors and editors work toward the principles in our CZ:Neutrality Policy. If you wish to delete large quantities of information, do make sure and discuss your reason on the talk pages and then feel free to make your appropriate changes. D. Matt Innis 13:42, 26 September 2008 (CDT)

Not another question...

Well, actually, yes. I know a young woman who would be just great as a contributor here, specifically, to the manga revisions that Matt Thorn, Bill Benzon, and I have just begun (with John Stephenson's encouragement). Both Matt and I asked her, but she refused, explaining that she had a seriously nasty experience with an internet stalker and simply will not use her real name. I sympathize, and came to understand from her comments that a young woman might well feel very uncomfortable using her real name. I read somewhere on CZ that you people do sometimes permit editing under a pseudonym. Do you think this might be such a case? Thanks. Timothy Perper 10:59, 27 September 2008 (CDT)

Yes, Tim. Citizendium does offer pseudonyms to people who have legitamate fears about using their real names. She needs to apply to personnel AT If she is accepted, not even I will know she is a pseudonym. This is obviously reserved for extremely rare cases, but I admit, there could be hundreds here and I wouldn't know it! I guess that is the idea, right. ;-) D. Matt Innis 11:11, 27 September 2008 (CDT)
Thanks. I will convey this to her. Timothy Perper 11:21, 27 September 2008 (CDT)
Also thanks for your comment about editing the gender article. You suggested posting it to the gender talk page -- that's exactly how I started this process, before even creating the sandbox versions. But I can't edit it on the talk page -- it's too clumsy to do (I know this from experience doing this kind of editing on Wikipedia). So I'll do the editing and referencing in User:Timothy Perper/Sandbox and keep people posted on the talk page of the main article. Then -- this is how I did it on Wikipedia and it seemed to work well -- when it's about ready to add to the article, I'll remind people about it on the talk page. That way no one feels left out. Timothy Perper 11:44, 27 September 2008 (CDT)
That sounds like a perfectly reasonable way to work it, Tim. I can't wait to how it all works out! D. Matt Innis 09:51, 28 September 2008 (CDT)
Me too! Timothy Perper 13:19, 28 September 2008 (CDT)

Correction in an approved article

Matt, in the Augustin-Louis Cauchy article, please string search for "did not gave". Can you correct it to "did not give"? Thanks, Peter Lyall Easthope 09:56, 29 September 2008 (CDT)

Approval of Ammonia production

Matt: In response to your posting on the article's Talk page, Howard Berkowitz okayed the addition I made on Sept.23rd, so you can go ahead with the approval which was supposed to have been done 3 days ago.

Not that it really matters, but for the record, Howard proposed that addition and I made it at 14:02 on Sept. 23rd. Then Howard nominated the article at 16:35 ... so I made the addition before he nominated the article. Regards, Milton Beychok 12:07, 30 September 2008 (CDT)

Yes, I read 14.02 for that edit. See my response to your query on my Talk page. Best regards, Milton Beychok 14:54, 30 September 2008 (CDT)

Oh dear, him again, this time about images

Hi, Matt. This time my question is about images. Do you know -- or can you point me in the right direction -- if CZ considers covers of magazines and books (and only the covers) as being copyright free? Most print publishers do consider the covers as usable without permission, provided they aren't tampered with (not my intention at all). As you know, I'm working on a replacement for the manga article (the replacement is at User:Timothy Perper/SandboxHistManga) and it is moving steadily to the point where I can put it up. I've already put several comments on the manga talk page, so it's not a surprise. But I'd like some pictures, and the covers seem like a reasonable choice if they're acceptable to CZ from a copyright viewpoint. Thanks! Timothy Perper 08:47, 6 October 2008 (CDT)

being driven crazy

Because of changing about one "which" every three months to "that"? Naw, I think I can live with transgressions of that nature without developing an ulcer, hehe....

Which might be an interesting article: the cautionary tale of how the lone Aussie doctor called it a result of a virus instead of stress, etc. And everyone kept calling him crazy and cutting people's stomachs up and making them drink milk instead of martinis....

A cautionary tale to super-skeptics like me to consider from time to time.... Hayford Peirce 17:23, 9 October 2008 (CDT)

TSCF approval

Dear Matt, Roger was prepared to approve the TSCF article but is apparently overloaded. What can we do to have it approved now. Best wishes, Koen Demol 15:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Approval [edit] Koen, You are right. I had intended to get the TSCF entry ready for approval, but then I got sidetracked onto another set of approvals and lost sight of it. (So much to do... so little time) It still looks good to me, so I'll try to get that process started up again. Roger Lohmann 09:40, 3 October 2008 (CDT)

Gallery protected

Hey Matt is it correct that this subpage should be locked? Chris Day 04:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi Chris! I see the conversation here concerning that decision, but I do see that Robert suggested that it be allowed to have some editing allowed. I am not clear about whether we should approve it and still allow editing, though?? Is is possible that images may be added that the original approving editors would not want to approve? I don't think we ever finished this thought. I do note, though, tha I don't think I have ever approved another gallery since.. I have also never locked a subpage of an approved article... D. Matt Innis 17:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

I think that was a discussion from the very start of subpages. At that time I was considering having the talk pages for each subpage substitute as a draft version of that subpage. This could be done since all discussion relevant to one cluster can be centralized at Talk:ARTICLE NAME/Draft.
If I recall we decide not to have a locked version AND a draft version of each subpage (too many extra pages) but just have each subpage as an approve but editable page. I'll try and find the discussion that led to that decision, I assume it is in the forum. Obviously this is problematic since the only way to know a subpage has been approved, and which version it is, is to go to the approval page. I'm not sure there is even a standard for how this should be done. Ideally a link to each approved version of a subpage is needed on the approval page. I'm pretty sure you're not doing that now, right?
We should think about this some more now we have more experience. Chris Day 21:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm thinking that the only reason not to unlock a gallery is to avoid someone placing a copyrighted image in the gallery that has been approved by an editor who has since left the project, but continues to have his/her name on the approval.
You're right, I do not link to each subpage, or protect them.. we should think that through as well.
D. Matt Innis 17:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Final approval of Henry's law

Hi, Matt: Henry's law has completed its two-week nomination period and is due for you to do the final approval magic today. Would you please handle that? Thanks, Milton Beychok 00:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Final approval of Henry's law

Hi, Matt: Henry's law has completed its two-week nomination period and is due for you to do the final approval magic today. Would you please handle that? Thanks, Milton Beychok 00:36, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


Just a suggestion. When you delete part of a posting, could you leave the signature? Peter Jackson 17:58, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, my bad. I see you've restored it, that's fine. D. Matt Innis 00:27, 20 November 2008 (UTC)


for welcoming me after registration ! I will start slowly. Very best regards.Thierry Henri Cauchois 22:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Your welcome, and have fun! D. Matt Innis 02:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

What happened to real name policy for members??

Hi, Matt:

In regard to User:UTHSCSA Internal Medicine residency - resident 1, what happened to our policy about real names?‎ Please explain. Milton Beychok 16:58, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I see that Martin Cohen is signed into the Forum as Docmartin.... Hayford Peirce 17:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I can explain this. Eduzendium has special rules. The reasoning is simple enough--if a university instructor can vouch for a person, but wants to allow the student anonymity, that seems understandable. Some students might not want their work judged under their own names, and they especially might not want to be forced by coursework to put their work out there in this public manner. Matt and I spoke (cc'ing the Eduzendium leaders) with the instructor in this case, Robert Badgett, about this and we thought it would be a reasonable solution. If you want to object or make an issue out of it, we could, but that is the reasoning.

As to Docmartin, good point there Hayford, anybody can tell him to use his real name there! --Larry Sanger 17:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Good eye, everyone. I'm impressed you caught it. I call him/her Uthescsa. A nice Russian name. D. Matt Innis 23:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Larry, I do not want to make an issue of this. However, I strongly suggest that you consider these two conditions: (1) The number of such exceptions to the real name policy be kept to a few, a very few ... perhaps no more than five or six and (2) when such students graduate, stop being students for any other reason or stop being Eduzendium participants, then they must provide real names like everyone else here. Milton Beychok 08:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
The way I see it, we can't limit them as that would be a double standard, however, it's not as though the instructor doesn't know who this person is in real life - even has the ability to talk face to face with him/her - so the behavior shouldn't be an issue. The only thing I see is that commnicating with someone without a name (be it pseudonym or other) is an interesting proposition. I'm sure it is just a matter to get used to - talking to a brick building. I agree about closing the account and apparently this issue was settled even before I got involved as Robert Badget tells me that this account is to be closed once his/her project is over. D. Matt Innis 15:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Hola, Assistant Constable

Hi there Matt old-buddy-old-pal.

Congratulations--or, condolences--as appropriate!  :)

Aleta Curry 22:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Lol! Don't you know it. I hear this comes with a pay raise ;-) D. Matt Innis 22:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Matt, didn't you know, I'm, tripling your salary! --Larry Sanger 03:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Ha Ha! That sounds like the same promise they made with my 401K! D. Matt Innis 04:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Good catch

Re "Pirates" --Larry Sanger 03:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I got the heads up from the forums. I'm glad you followed up. D. Matt Innis 04:21, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


Could you or another constable take a look at this when you have..... time? --Pierre-Alain Gouanvic 07:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi Pierre, I've addressed what I've seen on that page. I'll keep an eye on it. D. Matt Innis 18:14, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

moving clusters

I took away the move option as the media wiki update brought in a new tool that makes everything ten times easier. I need to reinvent the move feature to account for that change but have not had time with the semester wrapping up.

Before: it was always best to move the metadata first, then move all the subpages and article and finally edit the pagename field to the correct name.

Now: move the article first, check the box that says move all related subpages. This is a great feature since nothing gets lost. Then move the metadata page and edit in the correct pagename.

Does this make sense? Chris Day 20:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Aw, I didn't ever get to use your method! The new one sounds easy though. Now I just have to find one to move! I thought I remembered seeing the "move cluster" somewhere! I thought I was going crazy. D. Matt Innis 21:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
You didn't miss anything. It was complicated. What it did do though was let you know which subpages existed. This made it a bit easier to find and move each one. Now that is all done with one click. :) Much easier and more user friendly. Chris Day 21:19, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Some assistance needed, please

Hello, can you help ? When an Author creates a new article, who sould create the metadata template ? If the Author has to create the metadata template, who should fill the items of the metadata template ? Thanks. Thierry Henri Cauchois 21:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

The author who created the article should also fill in the metadata template as follows:
  • page name = (Enter the article name)
  • variant = (enter AE or BE or CE or AuE)
  • abc = (delete the &nbsp and replace it with the article name)
  • cat check = (enter yes if you want someone to check the categories you select, otherwise enter no)
  • status = (enter 1, 2, 3 or 4, whichever is appropriate as defined in the metadata template)
  • underlinked = (if two or more other articles link to the new article, enter no, otherwise enter yes)
  • cleanup = (if you think the new article needs editing for grammar, formatting, wording, etc., enter yes, otherwise enter no)
  • cat = (select the appropriate workgroups as categories. For example, Physics or Biology or Engineering or Matehmatics or ...)
Then click on Save. Preview does not work for metadata pages. If you want to make a change or correction after saving, then do so and save the template again. Milton Beychok 23:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
the *abc = can be tricky, since it sets up the order in which the article name is classified in the appropriate Workgroup. If you're writing an article about Jean-Claude Dupont, for instance, you would want to put in "Dupont, Jean-Claude" at the abc. Then it will sort alphabetically in the D's at the Workgroup. Hayford Peirce 23:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Another example would be "History of Britain" would have an abc of "Britain, History of". It's not always totally obvious though. For example should Slovakian language be "language, Slovakian" or not? Chris Day 23:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Approvals due today

Hi, Matt: I note that you implemented the final approval of Bar (unit) and the re-approval of Henry's law. Thanks a bunch!

Partial pressure was also due for final approval today. Would you please implement that as well? Thanks, Milton Beychok 01:00, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I got it! It did't show up on the Articles to Approve list? But, then again, I can't get Henry's Law/Draft off the list. Do let me know if there are other ones. COngratualtions, let's get some more. I need the practice. D. Matt Innis 01:22, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Approvals, ketoconazole

Matt, thanks for making the approvals. I put ketoconazole up for approval basically trying to get it some attention!.

BTW: the editor applicant did also send the reply to me moments after he clicked the reply button that sent the reply to you by mistake.

Thanks, David E. Volk 14:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

lol, that's what I thought, I saw your call for other opinions... good try! Have you thought about asking Howard Berkowitz or Milton Beychok?

What to do

Dear Matt, my article on The Social Capital Foundation has been proposed for approval and should have been approved on 12/19/2008. I do not know what is the next step as this deadline has expired. Apparently it is you who can handle that. Merry Christmas! Koen Demol 20:32, 23 December 2008 (UTC)


Dear Matt, thanks a lot. Koen Demol 21:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Hippocrates, Paracelsus, and homeopathy


I have not followed the homeopathy article and discussion. I will try to review them tomorrow. I wrote a little on homeopathy in the Hormesis article, but not historical. I need to check the assertions and attributions in Homeopathy. If Gareth retains his 'approve' vote, I'd go with his advice if I can't contribute substantively. Will try. --Anthony.Sebastian 00:58, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Excellent Anthony, I'll rest easier knowing you are comfortable with the end result. D. Matt Innis 02:04, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Final approvals to be implemented today and tomorrow

Hi, Matt and Happy New Year!

Please implement those approvals as soon as you find the time. Regards, Milton Beychok 07:18, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Milton, hang in there a minute while I get Chris to see if we can tell why those articles aren't showing up on the Articles ToApprove list. D. Matt Innis 13:38, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
It's the recurring problem that if the talk page is not edited then the categories do not get registered. Chris Day 14:44, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Matt, Chris has fixed them all now, and I promise to hang on. (:>) Milton Beychok 19:36, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Holy Moly, that list got longer! I better get to work! D. Matt Innis 23:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)


Matt, quite some time ago I changed the formating in Phosphorus/Draft#Chemical_bonding that was screwed up somehow. Today I entered a reference to Pauling and fixed two typos. Could you please approve this draft? --Paul Wormer 14:51, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Got it! D. Matt Innis 23:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Matt. Three down and still one to go.

Thanks, Matt. Still one to go ... or maybe you are working on it as I write. Milton Beychok 01:00, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I have to eat! And then, of course there's Howard! D. Matt Innis 01:03, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Finished! Something tells me that you guys are on a roll. I better stay on my toes. D. Matt Innis 01:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Matt, see my Talk page for my response to your last questions about Boiling point and Vacuum distillation .... past midnight here and I am off to bed. Milton Beychok 08:33, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Phosphorus again

Matt, I changed the text of the subsection Phosphorus/Draft#Chemical_bonding somewhat in order to refer to the figures (which I labeled Fig. A through Fig. D). I did this before noticing that you already had updated the approved article. Could you update it again? I find it much clearer to refer explicitly to the figures. Thank you. --Paul Wormer 16:23, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Paul, I can (and did) do that since it is not a content type edit that needs the approving editor's re-approval. Glad to help. D. Matt Innis 17:07, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, it is OK now.--Paul Wormer 17:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Golden rule, perhaps?

I see no especial immunity for user pages having inflammatory rhetoric created by the user. If that attracts a like-spirited reponse, that may be an example of action and reaction.

Had I indulged in similar sarcasm on my user page, about, perhaps, his Garethness, I would expect it to be challenged or removed. Look at the thread in the forum, where, I believe it was Aleta that indicated an appeal process has completed, and the matter is ended.

I do not see user pages as a place to whine about losing an appeal, and regard such statements as rather like graffiti in public places. If an individual dislikes a process, then there are mechanisms, such as Proposals to the Editorial Council, for constructive ideas about changing that process.

If one asks for reassurance, one may not get the answer one wants to hear. Howard C. Berkowitz 17:02, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the Golden Rule is a good idea, though not mandatory. I find it hard to believe that either you or Martin want to be treated badly, so be good or I'll make you both kiss and make up. D. Matt Innis 17:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
May I join the kissing here? His Howardness (if I may) mischaracterises my motives here, as elsewhere. He should not take comments intended to deal with editing and content issues personally.
That said, I am keen to follow Matt's lamp and bring light not darkness to the Citzens. I wanted to take up Matt's idea of the History of Homeopathy and involving the pre_H'man figures. Larry has suggested that the managing editors of a page, this would include you Matt? can 'invite' the philosophy workgroup to be involved. Can we do that to start the process off? And then there is a lot of material in the Homeopathy archive now (on Hippocrates and Paracelsus especially) that could be immediately added in. I don't want to do this as 'my motives' will likely be misunderstood. Martin Cohen 13:27, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I think that is a great start! How about we do this. Why don't you start on the Paracelsus article and Hippocrates and see if we can get some background information built on them that everyone can agree on over there and you can get your feet wet, then we will converge on History of Homeopathy with all of us on the same page of understanding so that we can make that 'short and sweet'. What do you think? D. Matt Innis 16:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Dwight Oxley -- editor?

Shouldn't he be an editor also with those credentials? Is he being modest, or is there a longer procedure to go through? If he hasn't applied to be one, could you give him a nudge? Gawd knows it would be nice to have another medical editor after what we've gone through lately! Hayford Peirce 23:34, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I'll let him get his feet wet some then hit him up! D. Matt Innis 23:46, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

an absolutely trivial, even inane, question of no conceivable importance except to Language Variant Editors

Hi Matt, I've been aware of you, of course, ever since joining CZ in May of '07. And I *thought* I was pretty certain about your background. But for the last couple of months I've been noticing that in *everything* you write, in either Discussion or articles, you use the English system of single quotation marks ( ' ) instead of the 'Merkin double quotes ( " ). Which made me begin to think that maybe I was having a very serious case of false memory, and that you really were a Brit and that somewhere along the line some of my Little Grey (Brit. spelling) Cells had gotten scrambled. But now I have just looked at your User Page again, and there you are in North Carolina, just as I had always thought. Yours truly, Mr. Baffled.... Hayford Peirce 02:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

And I'm in Wisconsin, so what does that prove? :) Chris Day 03:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Shhh, I was writing incognito. That way people will blame the Brits ;-) And Chris is just plain nutz for living somewhere so dang cold! D. Matt Innis 03:17, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Once you're below 10˚F it does not appear to feel much colder. It's hard to feel more numb, I guess? Chris Day 03:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
And this afternoon, I swam in our apartment complex's outdoor pool with a water temperature of 80 deg F. Its a hard life in California! Milton Beychok 03:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Man, you do lead a hard life Milt! ;) Chris Day 16:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

NMR approval

Matt, I did not sign as a approval nominator for that article. My name was placed in the Metadata page by Sekhar Talluri without asking me. Someone should explain to him that he must not do that. I don't have the necessary expertise to review or to approve that article in any way whatsoever. Milton Beychok 02:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Milt, that's what I thought. D. Matt Innis 02:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

No harm here, from what i can tell. Just unsure of the normal process. Chris Day 03:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Hello Matt, I have suggested fixing 4 minor typos and I can approve it once they are fixed. (you could do them!) However, I accidently made a few very minor edits some time ago despite trying not to help on this article expressly for the reason of single approval later. Since I am the only actual NMR editor on CZ, and the changes were minor, would you let me approve this single-handedly? We have no other NMR experts other than me and the principle author, who is an author, not an editor. David E. Volk 16:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Ha! I was just responding over there! Yes, I think you are fine for a single editor approval, especially since your edits are pretty much gone now. You are allowed to make the copy edits, though I can, too - and anyone else can before the date ends... though it is a good idea for you to keep an eye out and keep the last version on the metadata page. D. Matt Innis 16:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
I do not think that it is necessary for me to become an editor as far as approval of the NMR spectroscopy article is concerned, as it is clear that there are three well qualified editors - D.E.Volk, Paul Wormer and D.Mietchen. Also, we are in the middle of our semester now, and I will not be able to spend much time here; our vacation starts in May and hopefully this article will be approved by then - at that time (in May) I can apply to be an editor, if it seems necessary. Thanks for the invitation.

Newby Needs Help!

I'm stuck. I just got an account, but when I try to change my password I get an "incorrect password" messafe, and if I persist I get logged out. I tried to change my email notifications, but got a message that I wasn't logged in. I tried to make a small change to my user page but got message that I did not have permission. I am not new to wiki (I have accounts with 4 other wiki-encyclopaediae). What am I doing wrong?Bradley Fleming 01:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi Bradley, I'm not sure what if you did anything wrong, but let me send you your password to you through your email that you signed up with and then try it again. D. Matt Innis 01:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
No that was not it, you probably need to confirm your email address. Check your spam filter for an email from citizendium or Jason Potanski and reply to it. D. Matt Innis 01:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Ideal gas law is due for final approval today

Hi, Matt: Just a reminder. Milton Beychok 16:30, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Am I being too cynical to think that it is most appropriate that approval of ideal gas take place on the first full day of a new Administration? (After living in the DC area for 40 years, there's a lot of non-ideal gas. Wind turbines in the Capitol and White House might solve a lot of the national energy crisis. Howard C. Berkowitz 16:42, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Or, given it's mostly hot air, gas turbines? Actually, given the amount of hot air in Washington, is this another indicator of a great depression in the rest of the country? Rain is surely in the forecast? Chris Day 17:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, having worked on the Hill for a while, I'm not sure that I want to analyze the hot gas that closely. Consider the gaseous components of the output of a male bovine. The methane might actually be useful for something, but I tended to be more aware of the hydrogen sulfide, along with the indolic and skatolic vapors. Milt may be The Man on ill-conditioned refinery outputs, but politicians may be more in the area of chemical warfare decontamination. Howard C. Berkowitz 19:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
For once, I'm speachless.. D. Matt Innis 01:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi Matt,

I certainly didn't intend to be incivil towards Ed Poor, but perhaps it did sound like I was. My only point was to emphasise that Ed isn't a citizen with an impartial view towards conservapedia, in case some users thought he might have been. That is all. Denis Cavanagh 16:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Be careful, the rules apply to everyone. D. Matt Innis 16:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)